Did you come up with this idea all on your own? Your momma must be so proud of you for wearing your big boy pants!

Here, have a cookie.

You know, I hate having all of these old threads up on the front page so I'm just going to post in here my hatred of them so that I can not bump them up anymore than they already are.

Allow wardecs against NPC corps.

Then, when the NPC navy fleet shows up with its caps and supers it'll be just like an incursion for the war-deccers corp alone. And also a bit like faction war where the war-deccers corp is denied access to stations etc until they can take them by force. etc. Sounds like fun!

LOL, kind of like getting drafted?

Conscription in Eve, could work!

I'm liking the ideas, NPC corps are part of the reason so much ganking has been going on in high sec, it's the only recourse some people had since the NPC corps can't be war decced. I think the idea of preventing all those mining alts from sitting in NPC corps has some merit, if they want to affect the economy they should have to deal with the possibility of others affecting their livelihood.

That would sure shake things up.

I guess the concept of 'sandbox' only counts for some and not others.

How about when your sec status goes to neg 5 you are forced to stay out of high sec? How about if you are global you are forced not to be able to warp and your weapons don't work?

I thought so.

Mr Epeen

That's not the same as neg 5 being forced to rat up their status to be allowed in high sec. Even neg ten has a free pass in high sec. So the gankers get a free pass but you want to take what little shelter is left for the casual player away?

No that it would ever happen, but it sure would be Interesting to see how fast the server population drops if it ever did.

Mr Epeen

Yes, those 500 guys on average, at any given time in each of the NPC corps, are the reason for all of EVE's problems and why people gank.
Dear OP,
How many high sec corps is your little 2 man corp currently at war with? Because when I'm flying around high sec on my alt, I see a shitton of people in player made corps also flying around high sec.
And explain to me, why exactly, that guy in a barge, who is a member of a player corp got suicide ganked while he was mining again? Oh, because the guy who ganked him was in an NPC corp, and the other guy didn't want to pay the wardec fee or put himself in a possition of being attackable while flying around high sec.

Sometimes, I think that players like you are the reason that so many players drop out of EVE. I do not think you understand that newbies like me need an NPC corp. We also pay 15% tax rates or something like that, so you have no right to complain. Who cares if 5 carebears worth 50 billion ISK are in an NPC corp? It makes no difference to the game.

It's like saying, cars are bad for the environment, so lets just throw all cars off a cliff.

Without the CAS NPC corp, I probably would have left the game a long time ago. The whole point of an NPC corp is to let a player build up a solid base of ISK before they continue on to go into a bigger corp.

/end thread

Oh. I see now. You want to force station traders, who's entire life outside a station was moving to a trade hub, into being able to be war decced.

Yup. That'll sure change the entire high sec dynamic. You'll have 'em running scared.

But, whatever... If it makes you feel any better, I agree. I'm no stranger to being at war and not even realizing it, let alone having it affect me in any way whatsoever. As to how you expect it will change anything...vOv

Mr Epeen

In case you're wondering I was welcomed to eve by having my first ship ganked when I undocked to do the tutorial missions. Dude just killed me for no apparent reason and when I asked why he screamed "NEWBIE CAREBEAR GET OUT OF NPC CORP" and then blocked me. Days later when I attempted to start mining I was ganked in my hoarder. This doesn't include the rampant can flipping and overall obsession of certain vets who make it a point to hang in the newbie areas just to grief people.

This could easily become one of those wishes that comes back to bite people in their behinds, and while the flow of tears suddenly in the other direction might be amusing at first, in the end it would only result in even more whining to change it back - and if I know those lovely sadists at CCP, that's right about when they start laughing maniacally for about five minutes straight, grin, say "NO!" and resume laughing again.

One more "Those guys should be forced to play the game like I do" thread.

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He's got a point though......

Miners permit? Really? a Newcomer gets into the game in his nice new rookie ship with a civilian miner and and pretty much zero isk and now he's gotta pay a miner's permit? sure, it'll give him the hint that mining isn't a widely acceptable career, but shouldn't that be his decision?

Oh crap, i wish there were other things to shoot at than miners ...

If a player is more than 30 days old and leaves a corp what happens to them in this scenario? They end up in FW? What race? What is they don't have the standings to be in the FW? What if they are a free trader and end up in an apposing races FW area? What are the intended plans to address corp hopping? What would you do to stop the hundreds of new corps made each day to avoid wardecs?

Sounds like a lot of coding work for very little outcome.

It is only fair that if we are going to force miners to PvP then we should also force PvPers to mine.

How exactly would you "hold someone accountable" in a way that doesn't involve PvP?

Also if someone has irked you enough that you feel they should be held "accountable" then you can easily do so while they are still in an NPC corp; as long as your willing to put a little work into your revenge that is.

Also my post wasn't about turning mining lasers into weapons, but about forcing PvPers into mining similar to how PvPers want to force miners to PvP (yes I know not all PvPers want soft targets, but then this change would not affect them anyways).

I bet the OP would love to goose step all over those newbs. That is what this thread is about.

Dirty stinkin' carebears.

Here's the deal. I don't want to be in a player run corporation right now. I don't want particularly want to get ganked in high sec(which is very much possible if you screw up, even as is). I don't want to get wardeced, and frankly I don't want to contribute to the play experience in any meaningful way until I am good and ready to do so.

I never really found creating alts to be casual friendly as creating and training alts puts a hold on any skill development on your main, and casuals are less likely to have multiple accounts to make that a non-issue.

Wrong. It IS taxed, when you sell it.

This takes the prior statement about supports and magnify it exponentially. Add things like training different ships for different factions and you can easily find yourself in different races, weapons, ship classes and tank types. All in all leaving you very little to go to get a competent (SP-wise) subcap PvP character.

Dude; seriously; wardec goons. Im sure theyd accomodate you for targets. Or EVE-UNI

I hate to break it to you, but even a max-skilled Trade alt is still paying tax on EVERYTHING they sell.

Somebody wants to be able to pick on the noobs easy targets to get easy kills. hehe

Shall I do a formal Heil salute while shouting this, or will a more relaxed Heil salute do?

And they can not war dec you either. The grass is always greener on the other side of the tracks.

I say this because if being in an NPC corp is so much better than being in a player corp then why are you in a player corp?

Everybody is free to choose where they want to be in EVE. Fact is you made your choice and could be in a NPC corp if you wanted. My guess is you all have an alt in a NPC corp that is probably 3+ years old right now anyway.

Please dont be so pathetic. I have never seen any hisec mining corp wardeccing another hisec mining corp over hisec asteroid fields. We all know that OP is just about wardeccing miners in NPC corps, not about wardeccing PvPers in NPC corps. Its all about easy targets

LOL, wow dude. You just dropped the ball on this one.

This is basically you saying "Do as I say, not as I do."

How about just leave the poor miners alone for now. They are in one of the lowest ISK per hour professions as it is.
Mr Epeen